18 March 2014

Erasing my plastic prejudice (part 2)

So in my earlier post HERE. I went into some details of why Myself and Kevin decided to go into the world of 1/72nd plastics, and I promised you all some further explanations and practicalities of painting them in particular was a major concern.

Now my memories of trying to get paint to adhere to these little buggers is not good, back in the day it meant hours of scrubbing and then giving every figure a coat of PVA and praying to all manner of deities for the paint to stick to the plastic.


Fast forward 25 odd years and things have improved slightly, the development of better plastics for a start is one heck of a major step forward. There are also a variety of primers that work very well on plastics now that dispense with the need for pre-coating with glue etc etc etc.

Now I hate scrubbing anything, and with my less than agile hands, soap and small figures are a bad combination. However the wife has a very good dishwasher ( I only recommend doing this without plates etc). So after I have taken all the figures from the sprues and cleaned the mould lines I pop them into the baskets for knives and spoons into the dishwasher, bung in a tablet and let it do its magic. One big point to note is you need to remove the figures before the drying cycle, trust me you dont want to see what can happen if you forget.

Once you have your nice sparkly figures they are ready to mount and prime. Here is where I make no compromises and only use one primer:

This stuff is possible the biggest asset in my paint stock because it primes anything, and because it is polyurethane based its damn well flexible so does not crack when you bend a figure.
Now in theory if your primer is good then so will the paint job on top. Now I will go on the record and say that the dishwasher is not a perfect solution and possibly not eco friendly and the odd figure may not get cleaned fully requiring a further application of primer to spots that get missed or refuse to take first time but 99% of the time it works.
Then once the primer is dry its time for some colour, using your favoured paints. Now having painted a fair amount of these figures recently I think it does qualify me to state that all my worries and horrors are a thing of the past. I am converted to the benefits of using these ranges for certain periods and to build large forces for them. Now large forces mean big costs, well not neccessarily as we will see in the concluding part of this series of posts.

33 comments:

  1. I like that it doesn't crack. Cool beans.

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  2. Useful tips, Andrew. Like you, I have avoided plastics for nearly forty years because of the difficulties you mentioned. Maybe I'll give plastics another try?

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  3. Top post..good tips, duly noted

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  4. Can't rate that surface primer enough, I use it all the time.

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  5. I'm still not a big fan of plastics but you certainly have a point concerning the building of bigger armies.

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  6. Interesting, especially the primer... I will admit to not being a fan of these plastics - I find trimming the flash off them a horrible job and you cant file them, nor can you scrape the mold lines away as you can with hard plastics... and I just cant get out of my head - soft plastics are 'kids toy soldiers'... as that's what I played with as a kid... but your recent troops did paint up well and looked good en-masse on the table...

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    1. Interesting, looked closer at that primer - its actually labelled both acrylic and polyurethane? How big is the bottle? Do you just brush it on neat from the bottle?

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    2. I can second the primer, I use it myself. The pot holds If I remember correctly 200ml of paint, so its fairly big. What I like about it is its rather thin, so you can slap it on, although this does mean sometimes you'll need to touch the primer up.

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    3. Scott it comes in 60ml or 200ml bottles, I brush it neat and use the same Slap it on method it shrinks tight to the figure as it dries its bloody amazing

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    4. OK thanks. BTW, I like your new blog header picture!

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  7. Fascinating! I had an Airfix Union army from my youth and the paint peel on it was depressing. Flexing without peeling is huge. Thanks for sharing, I have to re-evaluate my bias against plastics.

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  8. Thanks for the tips! I will have to look into trying the primer; do you apply it with an airbrush? I think I still have an old Humbrol one stashed away somewhere...

    This is the first hobby-related use of a dishwasher I've heard of - however did you stumble upon it?

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    1. It can be airbrushed but I just slap it on with a brush, as to the dishwasher well it cleans pots and pans and I being a tad lazy thought have to try it out, after all what could possibly go wrong- refer to the note about drying cycle!!

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  9. Interesting stuff mate. Keen to read part three!

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  10. Interesting product !
    and welcome in the world of 1/72 figures !

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  11. I like plastics but typically the hard kind. These tips obviously work so might have to look at soft plastics differently now.
    cheers

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  12. Interesting idea with the dishwasher. Might have to give it a try sometime when the better half is not around.

    Vallejo primers really are splendid at least if you have an airbrush. Especially the black and grey ones. I'm finding the white really hard to use though as it just seems to cover really badly and somehow seems more sensitive to how well you cleaned the mini.

    And some of the newer 1/72 minis really are superb products! Though there still are a lot of rubbish sets from the 70s and 80s on sale also

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    1. I just brush it on as it is fairly thin, I would suggest that you try brushing the white to see if coverage improves

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  13. Great news how does the detail on the figures hold up after a coat?

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    1. No noticeable detail loss I use it on every figure, In fact I would go as far as to say its actually better than most primers due to it shrinking tight to the figure surface

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  14. I I have heard that a soak in white vinegar over night and after a clean also does wonders but I have not tried this. Supposed to etch the plastic microscopically.

    Like your change of heart, got a friend at my club with lots of 1/72 plastic ancients that we use often.

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    1. I too heard about this but the feckin smell is awful!! and has the same result as praying to many gods

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  15. Awesome using the dishwasher is just an ace idea! Nice recommendation of primer as well can you get different colours of the same product?

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    1. Many colours available for the primer Simon

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  16. Great post. Most hard plastic (Zvezda esp.) does not even need cleaning, in fact. Just bought some Vallejo primer myself, for the start of my 6mm modern armies. And I think I know what you're up to with the price on these!

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    1. I wash all figures to ensure no release agents are on them because if you prime straight over eventually it will wear

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  17. Thanks Andrew! I might have to get some of that primer!

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  18. Insightful. Thank you for sharing your thoughts.

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    1. I am now looking to do Donnybrook in 1/72 plastics. Definitely a cheaper option.

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    2. I look forward to seeing that Clint

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  19. Great tips! I'm a metal head and always will be as it has to do with feel(strange I know), but I do some things in plastic and keep trying to like it more as the savings are very much there.

    Christopher

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  20. To every one thank you for stopping by and reading the post. I know I normally answer every post but am under a bit of a tight deadline for the next week so will answer questions as a priority for a few days

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  21. Well, Andrew, you might win me back to plastics.
    Cheers

    seb

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