16 June 2013

What can or does blogger do for me and you ?

This post has been prompted by me reflecting on recent events in my life and some thought provoking posts by fellow bloggers.

One of those posts is here and invokes the definite feeling of community spirit that could be achieved if we all  adopt the principle. James came up with the post after we had a discussion about some wish lists. He had mentioned painting a spare Saga force and putting it up for sale, me wanting another force for my use enquired about a purchase and before you know it we are discussing a skill set swap. Now this is not a problem for me its a concept I like, as both people should get something they both desire out of the venture with out losing out. I have done this before, and have Kevin painting 15mm ACW for me in return for his gaming tables and terrain. So I will be creating a Community Currency page in the near future.

Another post I read said basically that if you go beyond block painting you should just stop F***ing about, or you end up with pointless works of art !!! and that it was the fault of good figure painters that miniatures were now too detailed.
I would say that the hobby has moved on since the dark ages and we are blessed in our hobby with some great sculptors and they sculpt to the demand of the masses, so on that basis there is a demand for detailed figures. Now I cant paint to the high standards of some figure painters we all get exposed to but I can paint reasonably well. When I buy figures, I buy quality figures, I want detail and I paint them to the best of my ability and how I want them to look. I like the effect of nice shading and highlights and I am not afraid to play games with them. After all they are my figures, it does not matter that I may have to wait a small amount of time to paint them to a better standard, I play with my toys and for me I am not wasting my time. However I do understand the block and dip and shove on the table mentality I just don't like it personally.

So as you can see from these two examples blogger opens you to a world of differing views, and its good we are all different, even if we disagree on occasions. It provides food for thought and healthy debate.

The other thing blogger can do for you is get you involved, be it some research or poking fun, some body will always offer some help or advice or you may be able to offer some if asked. The internet and blogger in particular can make you feel part of a wider community. It is good for building a network of like minded friends. Obviously the internet has its pitfalls but as adults there is always the nuke I mean block function for those who really irritate :)

The bloggers for charity project has me very inspired at present and combining efforts with the team, has boosted my confidence. Using our combined knowledge and resources is really proving to be very useful.

What are your experiences of blogger, have they helped you in similar ways?

12 comments:

  1. This sort of trading - if well thought out - will surely work to the benefit of all who participate.

    While some miniatures are overly detailed (for those very specific skirmish sets which are popular these days and the single figures cost a smaller fortune - I'm looking at you, Raging Heroes), I see the fallacy in this 'paint crappily and do not waste time' mentality - simply because I look at my older figures in disgust (block painted & dipped, they are) and want to repaint them - because I know I can now do better. Saying you've got to stick to simple (bad) painting is like saying every progress should be abolished; while fielding something more aesthetical is somehow more contending (although I have to apply to the golden rule: any painting is better than no painting - it shows effort). Maybe I am the one who got it wrong (judge me, 90% of my hobby time is painting - still in the hoarding phase perhaps?), although this sort of geekery never goes to the expense of fun.
    (Rant over)

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  2. Me thinks a certain article in MW is to blame. I am no fan of block painting and I have seen jaw dropping figures sent out to fight in their thousands. I do not agree though that stand 6 feet away and they look the same. The better painted shine through even at six foot. Not that I believe you need those excellently painted figures. I think you sum it up perfectly

    Ian

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  3. Blogging has opened up a new world for me and the other Rejects, when me and Fran first talked about starting our own blogs, many moons ago, it was just somewhere we could put up pictures of our figures and our games, just for our own use, but it soon expanded to the blogesphere. Out of this we've met loads of other likeminded nutters, some have visited Reject HQ for a game and others will probably visit at a later date, we've put on two games at a show, which is something we'd never have done if it wasn't for the blogs, overall they've both been a rip-roaring success!!! If only you could get paid for doing it!!!

    And I do like the idea of the Swap Shop, (who remembers that old gem?)

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  4. I think you already know my ideas on blogs and the help they give our hobby. I do not object to the block and dip armies it is much better that unpainted gaming. But I think the dip or wash's also have a place on a good painters desk, they let me speed things up and while I would never just block and dip I love beingg able to power through armies in double quick time.
    Peace James
    BTW anyone wanting to join a "swap shop" blog ring drop me a message as I have set one up. ATM it just me and Loki

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  5. I think I know which article you are referring to. The one where I'm mentioned by name?

    There has to be a balancing act between the amount of detail sculpted and keeping the proportions of the figures realistic. That depends on what material and method the figures will be cast in. It seems to be much easier to get right with plastics than metals, although then some of the detail is "soft" and can be obscured by primer and paint if they are too thick.

    There also has to be a balancing act by painters. Yes, the detail is there but does it need to be painted? That will depend very much on the size of the figure and the intention of the painter. Is it 15mm for mass battles? In that case, block painting and dip/magic wash can be very effective and some details can be ignored if they won't be visible at normal gaming distance.

    Is it 28mm for mass battles? Again, block painting and dip/magic wash could be OK, but it would probably be better to pre-shade after priming or highlight after the wash/dip. Paying extra attention to certain details on the figures would also be worthwhile.

    28mm for skirmish games or collections? Forget the block painting & wash/dip - you are looking at putting much more effort per figure and several layers per colour.

    I think it is all a matter of personal taste. Oh, and can I say "I blame the tyranny of the blogosphere!"? I think a lot of the obsession with painting gaming figures to a really high standard (to the point where the extra effort isn't visible at normal gaming distance) is a result of people wanting to show off what they have painted.


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    1. You are correct Tamsin and I saw your well constructed reply. My point was to emphasise the difference of opinions of figure painting and how blogs can stir emotions within us all.
      I agree with the proportions, and it is easier for plastics as you state. I don't disagree with the block and magic wash,in theory but personally irrespective of scale still feel the need to highlight.
      I whole heartedly agree with your point on skirmish figures each one stands out on the table regardless of distance and needs a better quality finish.
      It is definitely a matter of personal taste, and for one I would not criticise anyones own efforts as they say "each to their own"

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  6. Blogs and Forums really are a fantastic resource for meeting new gamers and fellow enthusiasts! Without them I would probably play solo!
    I also love all the tips and ideas people share. For example I just started using Rosemary & Co. brushes on your recommendation and I'm quite pleased with them.

    As for the "block paint" debate, well I game to paint, not the other way around! To me gaming is just a fun bonus, but my real interest is in the researching, planning and especially painting aspect of the hobby. So my figures are actually meant as artwork first (although I certainly don't see them as useless!). I love painting, and I love getting better at it with each unit I paint.

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  7. I feel that blogger has enhanced my hobby. While deployed last year, it was reading Ray's and Fran's blogs that helped to keep me sane in a hobby drought! Fran adding me in goggle plus spurred me on in crafting my page and painting more(and my wife's decree to paint or sell)
    I also have dropped off on purchasing massive amounts of books as I can find the answers faster on the web and at friends blogs. Although, I still can't resist a few tomes with pretty pictures!
    As far as painting, I am happy to see painted forces of any skill on the table.
    It shows effort and thought. I do not like facing half assembled unpainted troops unless they are a proxy or a tryout. But on proxies at least have the equipment represented. Too many times I have charged or engaged a unit that turned out to be a real beast and vastly different from what I thought it was!
    That kinda wrecks the enjoyment of the whole game! ;)

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  8. I really like the idea of community swaps. Over the last couple of years I've been involved in a few different ones run through dakkadakka.com and the Infinity forums. These were set up to try and encourage people to push their comfort zone and give them the chance to do something they wouldn't normally paint for their own games.

    To date, the Dakkadakka swap threads have generated a huge number of lasting friendships and some brilliant ideas. I'd love to see this pushed out to the wider gaming community.

    I'm not on Blogger, but I've been blogging on forums (and recently on my own wordpress site) and the feedback from people is always a great inspiration to try harder, or get over any blockages in inspiration.

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  9. I enjoy blogging and reading blogs and I really do feel a sense of community. That being said I need to spend more time on the hobby as my output is ridiculously low. I think one should paint to a standard that one enjoys. Not every one can or wants to paint to a display level. That being said, if you enjoy putting life into each and every one of your warriors, why not? As long as you not gaming with unpainted figures ;). People definitely need to lighten up.

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  10. Given that this is my third attempt at posting a comment, I'm beginning to wonder if all this blogging thing is worth it! Microsoft or Mac, the damn' electronic world doesn't seem to like me. Not so bad in the grand scheme of things though . . .

    O.K., what have the Romans done for us? Well, I get a good deal of entertainment from the blogosphere and sometimes a degree of irritation too. I get far more out of it than I put in and that's just nuts to me as Flashman would say. I've learnt new things and picked up new ideas; discussed all sorts of things and, as David Bromley says, I've saved on books simply by consulting the encyclopaedia of the blogosphere. It's a medium that hasn't realised its full potential (barely any of it really) and the very few exceptions like the Bloggers for Charity scheme are really only a foretaste of what could be achieved. If you buy me a pint I'll tell you about the 'Wargames Mongrel'group. I have made friends through blogging, but I don't think we'll ever marry.

    Has it changed my life? Er . . . no. It's certainly added another facet to it, but if the blogosphere collapsed tomorrow I certainly wouldn't be reaching for a rope.

    Painting. I've painted leads for forty five years or so (I was oil wiping horses while I was still at school) and I've used each medium as it's appeared. I freely mix media just as I mix painting styles and relish the diktats of the painting Nazis, revelling in the thought that they simply could not conceive the enormity of the toss I do not give. I get satisfaction if I improve my skill (ANYONE can improve their skill) or even just the 'look' of a figure or unit, but I have limits as to what effort I'll put into various types of figure. For example, I'll put the work in on my 15mm Napoleonic staff figures and tart'em up like a King's Cross whore, but block painting and staining is all the rank and file will get. My advice? Paint the way you're comfortable with and don't let someone else dictate to you. However, if you do like trying new or different techniques and/or just feel driven to turn out an army of masterpieces, then that's great; get on with it. Ignore those who say it's not worth it. It might not be for them, but it's your hobby and they're your figures. The crunch comes though when you have to decide what your driver is. Are you primarily a gamer (and what kind of gamer) or a painter or something else. It's going to be a challenge churning out large armies of museum standard figures.

    As Groucho Marx said, these are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others.

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